Friday, June 24, 2011

Maldivians hate Pakistani Doctors.


There is an interesting piece of information about any doctor from Pakistan who is here already or planning to come to work here in future.

Dear Pakistani Fellows, with all due respect towards you and you education and your behavior in general and your etiquettes and mannerism, it looks like that you entire being is not very well tolerated & ingested by Maldivian palate & intestine. I am an Indian but I do have at least 5 – 6 close doctor friends with whom I have been professionally associated from time to time since last 6 years. I know other 5-6 from Pakistan who are in a cordial relationship with me. Without any feelings of India Vs Pakistan, we have been working and bailing out each other from any type of condition arising in our vicinity. There are two doctors from Pakistan who studied with me and eventually I myself arranged work permits for them from here. So, kindly don’t take my word in any way of misguided feelings. Pardon me for the grammar and punctuations or spellings used in this article. I am trying my best to use their (Maldivian’s) words, style & phonetics.

      I will provide you all a general study of the behavior pattern of Maldivians towards Pakistani Nationals, Doctors included.

1.   ‘PAKEEZ’, as they call Pakistani nationals here, are not gudd muslims. Pakeez are even drinking alcohol so they don’t qualify for being gudd muslims anyway. (God only knows from where this common notion is coming as Alcohol is not at all available over the civilian islands. Yes, I can’t tell about the local brewing from coconut water and sugar fermentation kind of alcohol).

2.   Pakeez are showing as if they obey Guruaan (Quran is called Guruaan here) but they are actually not. They don’t pray as we pray.

3.   ‘Pakistani doctors dunnow much about medicine. Not gudd.’ This may be their own experiences or whatever but this is a general perception.

They mean that Pakistan is a disturbed country with not enough in job salaries for their doctors, so, they come here for the sake of money only. I have discussed this with everyone who calls Pakistani Doctors bad as I simply wanted to know the reason. Interestingly now a days doctors from Russian Speaking countries are coming to Maldives who are not even fit to be called MBBS doctors by the amount of knowledge they carry with themselves and the short list of medicines from which they can exploit. Although these so called Russian Specialist Doctors are working here, the only thing which is saving them from a show off is the lack of emergencies in health sector services. Indira Gandhi Memorial Hospital Male’ is more accustomed to serious emergencies  and health challenges and you will find out that in no case will accept any Russian Doctor, and sometimes not even a Russian PG degree if the pursuer is from India for example. But towards these Russian Doctors they have a feeling that ‘These doctors don’t know much but they try to work with you and they are very noble (???). Sources of such feelings are not known to me.

4.      ‘Pakeez Doctors are always rude in behavior.’ This is better known to these people only why they think like that. I did not see any difference in behavior from our side.

5.      One Pediatrician in GA Atoll of Maldives was literally thrown out from his residence within a time frame of a day given to him to vacate the house. He had just come to the place to start working at that time and as I think had not spent even a month by that time in the new place. The story was conveyed to me when I was still working in Maldives. Interestingly the house belonged to a local staff’s family. Of course the management tried to locate a new room for the ‘Paedi’. The cause of this behavior was the behavior of the doctor who did not behave as per their wishes. That’s not a problem. Anyone may or may not like anyone. But the thing is, these type of things are not happening once only.

6.      In Raa Atoll of Maldives, there was a Pakistani Doctor working over an island. He had to change 4 houses in his 1 year tenure as he was time and again thrown out of his place.  At one place before he left the room, the land lord’s younger brother caught him by collar and made him pay MRF 250 for the so called cleaning up of that room after he will leave.
7.      In the IGMH as well, Pakistani Doctors are not liked. This is the words of my friends, 2 of which are still finishing up their contract there at the moment.

These people have somehow developed a dislike towards Pakistani Doctors (Nursing staff and paramedical staff is mostly from India only, and in that too mostly from southern Indian States). In general as well, there is a dislike towards Pakistan. Maldivian are Muslims, but not very much driven by the religious partiality which you can palpate in middle east countries. When it comes to work, they express their opinion free from these bias.

8.      There is a hospital (I forgot the exact name) where there is a Pakistani Pediatrician. Not that he must not be treating children as per his knowledge. But these people don’t want their babies to be admitted under him.  As soon as one or two days passes after admission, they will request the child to be referred to a higher center, which that doctor has to do, and they will simply either visit some other doctor’s OPD there itself or go to another nearby island where there is a regional hospital where there is a Russian Pediatrician working. It is a slap on the face of a specialist if the patient’s guardians are acting as if they are trying to run away from his clutches.

There may be endless stories. I am inviting any Pakistani fellow doctor to share his gory story if there is any. Purpose of telling these stories is not to malign anyone from anywhere rather to alert you people who are trying to come here from Pakistan to work. At any given day, this type of hatred in a closed country like this, can result in catastrophe. Who more than you people know the inside situation of most Islamic nations. There are some flaws here and there and most are without any strict law protecting foreigners, be it a muslim or from any other religion. Here these people try to target Pakistanis for sure. I myself have witnessed 3 or four such instances when things were going out of control opposite a Pakistani Doctor. Luckily till the moment there are not many casualties. But beware.

The Increasing Trouble in Maldives for expatriates in general.


1. This is a news clipping from the leading online newspaper from Maldives:

MALE, May 12 (HNS) – The cabinet has decided to impose a limit on the amount of money that can be sent abroad by expatriate workers in the Maldives.

The government gazette said the cabinet, in its discussions on the ways to minimize the amount of money transferred abroad, decided to limit the amount that can be sent abroad by expatriate workers from their salaries and to prevent illegal expatriate workers from sending money abroad.


The cabinet further decided to fine expatriate workers who exceed the limit and the parties that provide the money transfer service.


The cabinet’s decisions on minimizing the amount of money sent abroad include drafting a regulation on transferring money abroad.


The regulation is to be drafted after discussions between Finance Ministry, Economic Ministry, Attorney General’s (AG) Office, Maldives Monetary Authority (MMA), and other relevant authorities.


Some expatriate workers, however, reported facing difficulties in transferring money abroad following the dollar revaluation, as some banks are said to have imposed a ban on the amount of money than can be transferred abroad by expatriate workers.


“Earlier the Indian bank [State Bank of India] would transfer any amount when we pay it in Maldivian rufiyaa. But now a person can send US$500 per month,” an expatriate nurse working at Indira Gandhi Memorial Hospital (IGMH) said. 

 
2. Another thing which is increasingly troubling the expatriate Doctors & Nurses now a days:

Now the situation in Maldives has become very difficult for expatriate workers. Be it a laborer or a doctor. For an average Maldivian, anyway  these both entities are same. They treat them alike. There are increasing instances of theft attempts, successful or unsuccessful ones, at the residences of expatriates living here.  Virtually there is not enough policing (there is virtually no policing here except in Male’) on the islands, some of them being totally devoid of any kind of policeman, to maintain the law and order situation. You can forget about any result of these so called police investigations anyway. All people over an island are brothers and sisters or relatives to each other. They will do everything to protect them only.

Suppose any theft occurs at your residence, the first question anyone will ask is ‘did they take your laptop and money?’.  You can clearly see a smirk over their face while asking this question. Hoping that they (the thieves) actually got these things from you. If you answer in negative like ‘No, luckily only little cash was left at home because you carry all your valuables with yourself on duty’, immediately their face hangs down. By words they will show sympathy towards you. But eventually they will spread words among the community that this fellow is carrying all his valuables with him or her on duty all the time. And guess what, one day you will be hassled in a dark corner somewhere when you are going from or coming to duty. Duty changing time is very strange here. 8am to 4pm is an ok one. But the second shift is from 4pm to midnight and the third shift is from midnight to 8am. During both these shifts, you need to walk at dark hours. There is rain or drizzle around. Nobody is outside except these outlaws. They can rob you without much trouble.

Staff Nurses are walking in herds all the time to save themselves from this kind of situation. But being a doctor, you need to walk alone as duty changing time is variable. And then there are on call situations. If you are going out on call at 2am in night, it is well understood that you may be leaving your laptop or valuables at your residence only. The very relative of the patient  for whom you have been called in emergency can be watching your movement and barge inside your room with his friends behind you. By the time you finish your work, which can take half an hour to a few hours, you can return back home to see the aftermath of this robbery. Now you try to call your manager up and do whatever, the authorities may even stop attending to your calls. They will listen to you in the morning when the so called police will come with a big bag full of equipments (again donated from some other developed country), will show as if they are collecting evidences and all, the statement will be recorded. And what will happen afterwards??? Nothing. In 2-4 days you will receive an intimation that they could not find the culprit as there were not enough clues at the site of robbery.

How difficult it is to take fingerprints of a population of even 3000 (usually islands are having population within 1000 – 1500 in case of a well populated island. There are places where a total of only 500-600 people live.), where only 150-200 young boys may be present? It is virtually possible. And moreover there are known drug offenders and doubtful characters over the island. Everybody knows them. Only they deny in front of us, but they themselves know that their son or brother is taking drugs or alcohol. Alcohol dependence is quite common among the men who are working in resorts. So, it is not very difficult to find out who has taken your belongings. But they will never do this. They actually protect the thieves.

Your salary, your current behavior, everything is told to everybody over the island. They simply call hospital about the person on duty and if that fellow is on duty, they will pay a visit to his room, try to open windows etc if there is some loose lock (days are not far away when they will break the window without any hesitation.

There is a staff nurse in an Atoll hospital who lives in a house with other 5 staff nurses. That house is having 3 rooms and a kitchen etc. One day she was on call for 2 hours only (from 1am to 3am in night) and by chance all other housemates were on duty together. She saw her land lord’s son trying to peek inside her room’s window with a steel rod in hand. No need to say that the boy was informed that then the only occupant, the sister who was on call, was out of the house for a few hours and he could go inside by opening the window lock of her room. The information about this loose window lock was given by the sister herself to the land lord 2 days back so that it could get repaired. That boy used these information to plan the robbery. Luckily the sister saw him from a distance where there was darkness on road due to which that boy could not see her. Around houses usually there is a light bulb on to illuminate the area. The aforementioned sister simply showed as if she is not seeing him (he could have beaten her if he would have thought that she will tell others and testify against him. They both knew each other as he was the only son of the land lord and collecting rent as well) and entered her house and the boy went away. This is a story for us to think upon.

Saturday, April 30, 2011

Some Comments on my writings to Ponder Upon....for you all to SEE.

You are most welcome. I will not leave these bastards unexposed in front of the whole world which is giving them donations to keep health services running. The WHO should know what and how they are doing things here.
   
friends ! another bad news for the expats in maldives!! devaluation of rufiya ...... now 1$ = 15.42 mrf. (and dollar is available in black market only. At the rate of MRF18/$.)
Whatever things are mentioned in this blog is 100%,truth,not a bit exaggeration. i too worked there & faced similar situations.Maldives is not good at all for expatriates particularly doctors & teachers.
   
bad !!!! worst !!!!! i am working in maldives as a specialist doctor, its very much hopless working condition here with lots of problems. once u arrive here u have to sign the service agreement : Friends this contract is such that u will not see it, any where in the world. read this one of the line from it... "This Agreement may not be changed orally, but only by an agreement in writing signed by the party against whom enforcement of any waiver, change, modification or discharge is sought." friends, it means here that they can change it without ur notice and whether u agree or not ! it does happen here...... no body is honest over here , they are biggest liars. govt or ministry is just bunch of robbers and there aim is to rob u of ur hard earned money by different methods...there aim is to make the expat spend all the money here only............... following are the examples of that.. 1. u have to apply through agents only have to pay handsome money 2. sign contract which is totally See more... one sided with many funny and faltu clauses... 3. no guarantee of getting the original MOH service contract . anybody can change it and ask u to sign it ,recently few doctors got a totally different contract , so be careful dont assume that it is MOH job so everything going to be genuine 4. cut from salary anytime .. eg 15% from basic salary last year 5. recently they announced to give pension for the employees ! laughing? it is true they say u will get it once ur 65 yr old! what they have done another cut from salary 7% yes without employees conscent !!! 6. u get salary in maldivian rufiyaa then u have to keep on trying to get dollars from black market !! thats not available friends , sometime may get few, have to buy at high price in black market... banks (SBI or any other bank) dont transfer money as u wish , only 500-- 1000 dollars per month!!! no other options available.... 7. no respect at all for the doctors. u will b supervised by a uneducated moron , ur work will b assessed by these illliterate person 8. no trust , if u say something they question u why? , when? is it safe? regardless of ur expertise. 9. eg if a gynacologist has done PV in threatened abortion they will accuse doctor that he has extracted fetus from the womb and caused abortion !!!! 10. there are plenty of problems related to work also .... which are beyond description. if ur planning to come over here and u have ur own self respect , dont have will to tolerate the humiliation then think twice thrice ........ atleast GULF countries conditions are far better and reliable if u want any kind of detail or proof of all these current happenings mail me at doctorsinmaldives@rediffmail.com or join doctorsinmaldives on orkut or (doctorsinmaldives2011 on facebook). u can visit doctors in maldives blog also make sure that ur aware of everything before landing in to a fraud and lier MOH
   
thanks alot and congratulations for doing some courageos job for doctor community . i will provide you more evidences of fraud here in maldives . it will be nice if you post the evidences also, like letters and memos issued to the doctors and nurses.
   
yes very right, iam also working here since last 3.5 months , all the things very much true. infact i would like to add few more...... 1. you have to sign a contract which is totally one sided and it can be changed anytime from their side ...!!!! 2. few doctors were given the wrong contracts intentionally (offer was something else and after arrival contract was different) 3. salary in rufiyaa(maldivian) which u cant send home ? have to convert to dollar first , from where u will get dollars? bank dont allow to send more than 1000 dollar per month for doctors and 500 dollar for nurses!!!! no other way.... black market u will get dollar at higher price that also 50-- 100 dollar only. run after the dollar whole month ??? 4. why corpoation ? i will tell you the reason! they want to cut the salaries and allowances and the overtime pay ,so give some fancy name to implement these things...... 5. you know they have announced pension to the all employees !!! yes ! they are going to give See more... pension once the employee reaches age of 65years !! how we dont know. they are cutting 7% of salary per month for pension scheme without our conscent. want any documentary proof join doctorsinmaldives2011 on facebook or contact doctorsinmaldives@rediffmail.com
 
Hi, do you want to know more? Read this wonderful blog. Written by a specialist who has worked here for more than three years. http://doctorinmaldives.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html regards mosquito
   
Ya. I am having the same issues going on in my mind. If this money angle is not solved, there may be a chance of all foreign staff pulling out of Maldives faster than anybody here would think possible.
 

Monday, March 14, 2011

Things are getting marginally BETTER in Maldives with the more humane management taking over as corporation.

A Good News for all of us. The Maldivian MOH has divided the entire country in 9 parts and forming corporations to manage them all locally. These corporation managers look to be better behaving and listening to our problems better than before. Things are marginally better in terms of employee - management relationship.
Anyway, people are the same. Will become worse eventually though. With increasing use of drugs.

All the best. 

Bye! Bye bye Maldives for quite some time. From the core of my heart.

Saturday, March 5, 2011

DON'T JUST SEE THIS BLOG...COMMENT ON IT AS WELL.

Dear Viewers of this blog,

Welcome to the world where we don't want to hide ugly things just to look good. Where we wish to help others from the similar community (all doctors from around the world) so that they don't fall in the same ditch where me or my friends may have fallen. This blog may look like a shocking exaggeration to many. Many may not agree with the things told here. And many may think it is a lie altogether. 

Kindly comment on the articles so that I also come to know about your views. I myself am leaving Maldives in 15 day's time. There will be others who will be giving me relevant information from here and I will be uploading it from elsewhere. Your opinion is vital to us all.

Regards and best wishes.
 

Sunday, February 20, 2011

The Rude and Animal like behavior of Maldivian people towards Doctors.


The Rude and Animal like behavior of Maldivian people towards Doctors.

Stories are coming from different corners of Maldives and I will refer to places now by their real name as I am getting free of worries lately (my contract is finishing up very soon now).

1.  Current news for all the doctors around the world who are interested in coming to Maldives for working purpose:
At the moment (on 20th of February’2011 at 05:08pm) a male doctor is in ICU in Male’, badly beaten up by locals.
Reason: He was posted on an island ‘Feyadhoo’ in Seenu Atoll in the south most of Maldives. After completion of his 1 year’s contract he was scheduled to leave as he didn’t want to continue his service here (usually no one wants to). Before leaving the island he of course left his room, packed his things and was leaving, when suddenly his landlord (where he had hired a room to live as now ministry is not hiring any accommodation for us) came up with complain that he was leaving his room dirty and he should clean before he leaves. We (my group which is holding this blog up consists of 56 doctors now) believe (doctor is not in a state to talk or I would have narrated the story word by word here) that he declined this as he was already leaving. The landlord in return beaten him up in front of locals on the jetty where the doctor was scheduled to catch his boat. Health Center staff was gathered there but in front of local guys even the expatriate nurses (other staff is Maldivian only) could not intervene. The doctor got some blunt injuries over back and thigh & a CLW over face. By this time the boat had come, so, he left the island in this very state.
Upon his arrival in Male’ (he had to catch a plane in between so it must have taken a few hours to reach Male’) there were some guys waiting for him on the Airport Jetty where the passengers coming to Male’ dock from airport, and these guys beaten him up like an animal to the limit that he is now admitted in ICU in a hospital in Male’. This is the occurrence of a day before yesterday
No matter how good or bad the doctor was or is, is this the manner to behave? I am trying to locate him. The ministry people have not filed any complain against anyone (usual reaction) and switched off his phone. I sincerely doubt that they will let the IGMH (Indira Gandhi Memorial Hospital, Male’) people disclose his whereabouts before they send him back to India.
We all are very much alert and a little scared too.
  
2.  There is an island by the name of ‘KELA‘ in Haa Alif atoll of Maldives. There, a few months back the posted doctor was beaten up to bleed by lacerations and 4 deep cut injuries on face and upper trunk. This beating was done by the Incharge (CHW, the Community Health Worker) of the health centre as the doctor was not explaining his writing over the prescriptions to him properly. The  CHW was ridiculously asking about why did you write down C/O (Complaining of) or CC (Chief Complains)  and one day the doctor told him that as the CHW was not a doctor, so he can not explain everything to him. That’s all.
The CHW is a relative of one of the hooligans of the island who happens to be a minister in current Maldivian government.  So, he beaten this doctor up and sent him to Male’ after 1 day’s delay so that primary suturing could not be done on the wounds/CLWs  and scars would be more evident afterward and they will remind him of this beating and make him more obedient towards the Maldivian authorities. This he himself told to the doctor on face. That doctor was afterward advised not to lodge a police complaint as there could be more disastrous results after that and left Maldives after midway of his recovery period. The MOH paid him all the dues and relieved immediately out of the contract.

3.  Now, naturally there was some other doctor going to come at that place eventually. So, the day came and another doctor came to the same health center. Within 6 months that CHW was not able to tolerate even him and they both got engaged in similar kind of conversations again and again. This time fortunately though, he did not beat the doctor up as the doctor was a muslim this time (earlier one was a Hindu by religion who was beaten to bleed. This religion bias is evident throughout Maldives.). But the CHW started seeing the patients himself, prescribing drugs and writing below prescription ‘seen by Dr. so & so’ and signing it. The doctor saw these prescriptions and naturally asked him why the hell he was doing such a thing.
Their friction grew of course and eventually the CHW (a.k.a. manager) reported the ministry about the doctor being incompetent in treating patients. The doctor was duly summoned to Male’ and sent to the department of Medicine at I.G.M.H. Male’. The eventually cleared him and the doctor was posted to an atoll hospital (GA Atoll Hospital, Villingili) afterward where at the moment he is finishing up his remaining time of the contract. His confidence totally shaken up to the limits that he upon seeing other doctors (anytime, any day)asks about only one thing ‘did anybody complain about him about any patient’. This is the result of his tenure at that mad place. But at least he was not beaten to bleed like the previous one.

4.  There is an ongoing instance (I will not reveal the name of the Hospital, or they may find my informer and punish him unnecessarily) at a hospital about a Gynecologist. He is a male and may or may not be a popular one among the natives.
The thing is, that there is a woman over the island who is producing children without being married to anyone. Her 8th gestation just now resulted in delivery of a healthy baby a few days back. The Gynecologist suggested the lady that why not she opts tubal ligation as she is not stopping sleeping with men anyway, not protecting herself as well and hence getting pregnant again and again since last 12 years. She is a very very fussy character. Her all family members liked the idea and made her agree to it as it was a matter of open disgrace for them as well. So, a date was decided to carry out this small procedure.
Now, one of the local nurses came to know about it (the idea of tubal ligation being suggested to this lady and eventually being accepted by her) while she was on duty (and this lady was still admitted post delivery in the Gynae wards ) and she decided that she should complain to the Islamic group over the island about it.
They were hastily informed and the council of those brilliant people suggested that the hands of all the people taking part in that procedure (doctor & nurses who are expatriates only) should be cut from above wrist to penalize them (in case this procedure is really taken up the next day) so that they could not spoil a Muslim woman like this, making her unable to bear children in future. As in their view Islam says that the basic right of a woman is to be able to bear children and it can not be violated. No matter that she is producing bastard children on a regular basis. Actually in Maldives it is not a matter of concern anyway. The Government even protects such women. As there is no actual constitution in force here, everything is ok.
This Gynecologist and the crew of staff nurses were so shaken up by this occurrence that they all were rubbing their wrists for a few days. Now the management is trying to take this Gynecologist out of the island secretly. Until yesterday, the official police case was not launched against him, so they are still waiting. If a case will be launched by the Islamic society, most probably the local Healthcare management will send the doctor to India as soon as possible.

Monday, January 24, 2011

The Diplomacy of Maldivian MOH towards the Doctors and Nurses working under (not ‘for’ but ‘under’) them.


The Diplomacy of Maldivian MOH towards the Doctors and Nurses working under (not ‘for’ but ‘under’) them.
The MOH  Maldives has found another (one more in the chain of findings which surface almost every year in disguise of ‘for the betterment of services and to increase the efficiency of health services in Maldives’) idea to better themselves. Although only God knows how can anything, so perfect in making and executing, be bettered…
The MOH has very cleverly divided the entire Maldives in 9 zones and are making one health corporation in each zone to locally manage the health services. As they say it ‘this corporation will be a private body’ but in fact the corporations are 100% government owned bodies totally in control of the government (who said these Maldivians are stupids???) and hence will be only the private face of a government body.
This corporation has been already doing what it has to. They returned back the 15% cut from the salary and all the allowances which the government was illegally deducting from everyone’s salaries (mostly from the expatriates as no other person actually works here). But there was something called a ‘RISK ALLOWANCE’, which was actually 20% of the total effective salary, has been deducted now. Because they think that living in a possible Tsunami coming area, working in the health sector without gloves and masks to protect you against common infections gifted by patients (don’t ask about any protection gear against Hepatitis ‘B’ or HIV, not even vaccine. Of course none of these is available here and for these reasons only this ‘Risk Allowance’ was actually meant to be providing a little money lure) is not risky at all. The fact that we don’t even have normal antibiotics to write as they are not available in islands. Maale’ is another thing. There may be a lot of things there but on islands where they put expatriates to work (Maale’ is for Maldivian doctors mostly or even if expatriates are working there then these Maldivian consultants humiliate them every single day), there are very limited choice of medicines available.
So, by giving back 15% and taking away 20% your salary has actually come down by almost 5%. Plus now this corporation has decided to deduct 7% of the basic salary (which in itself is almost 50% of the total effective salary) for the pension fund (as if expatriates will have this much courage to stand these bastards for a long enough period to get that pension) which again means that your effective salary will come down by another 3.5%.  
So, by doing this corporation thing (after all the corporation has 8 members of board who get a salary of almost MRF 20,000 = $1550 each and hat money has to come from somewhere) the effective salary of a Medical Officer which is at the moment MRF 16,100 = $1250 will become  8.5% less and a MO will get $1150 = INR 50,500.  Plus MO has to hire a room to live. Living allowance is the same as before (MRF 1500) and you need to pay MRF 1000 from your salary to hire a room. So, effectively you get $1000 = INR 44,000 in salary from where you have to feed yourself. How much a MO can save from here?
Specialist’s salary they are taking down by 20% in the new contract. They are going to put less working hour per week to justify their decrease in salary. Plus the total hours of possible overtime will be limited to 40 hours per month only. But nevertheless you are supposed to attend all calls and can’t deny from it. Means the volume of work will be same but they will pay you much less than before. At this time a specialists salary in Maldives is much higher than anywhere in the developing world. Plus the overtime is free, which means as many hours they do overtime, is all payable on a pro rata basis. But now will be a different situation from March onwards.
You can well conclude that these people know diplomacy very well. This all is happening when there is a contract (which is supposed to be valid in the court of law but which actually is a piece of garbage only as they breech this contract almost all the time without thinking much about it.) and a normal person can think that this contract is abiding both ways.
But no….this is not the case.